contact the editor here. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. Finally he withdrew his hand and declared I passed the test. In 1905 when the Ganges vessel was finally retired (and towed away to Chatham), the training facility, still named HMS Ganges, moved ashore. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Allegations of Abuse. 1937. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. This was followed by a leap from the diving board, as high as any tree I'd ever climbed, wearing the waterlogged boiler suit and a lifejacket. Should one of letters be a millimetre out, you found the lot on the deck when you returned to the mess. The 142-foot high (43 m) mast was erected in 1907. Every new recruit was required to climb it, not to the very top but to the half moon, about thirty-feet from the top. Used to have chats with old Tick-Tock and RPO Salmon gave me my 1 postal order when the max was really ten bob. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. contact the editor here. I was at Ganges in 1955 and went to visit Shotley in 2005 and was surprised to see police signs near the old swimming baths. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. Editors' Code of Practice. He was sitting on a stool and told me to stand in front of him and begin. Commander was Trick and a good egg. Helpful. CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. Realizing his mistake he fought back and with no way out he had no choice but to work his ticket. Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. Offenders, known in the Navy as "defaulters", were mustered every morning and went before the Captain for a formal hearing, where they could be "awarded" up to 12 "cuts" -- very hard strokes of The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. www.amazon.co.uk/H-m-S-Ganges-Dozen/dp/0906418003/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1269273975&sr=1-1, www.navy-net.co.uk/Forums/viewtopic/t=134/postdays=0/postorder=asc/start=0.html, www.veterans-uk.info/vets_badge/vets_badge.htm. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich and Shotley . Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. Posted on February 5, 2019 by irishroverpei. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. At the tip of the Shotley peninsular sits a cluster of abandoned buildings that were once home to hundreds of young lads right at the start of their lives at sea. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. Charles Dickens might have penned it the best of times and the worst of times. We had just finished PT before going to supper, so I was in shorts. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships from 1779 onwards, but in 1905 it was chosen for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich, where about 500 boy recruits were. Read about our approach to external linking. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . I had already taught myself to swim. H.M.S. 1906. Boys were permitted to march through the streets of Ipswich with bayonets fixed. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. By creating an account you agree to us emailing you with newsletters and discounts, which you can switch off in your account at any time. Two other ratings are recorded as 'drowning' whilst on the books of HMS Ganges and both were in 1944. Please Login or Register. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. interesting .. photos of the old pool. A historic Grade II listed former Royal Navy training mast has been taken down ahead of restoration work. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Dave Walton RN retired. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. This was where the roped rigging jutted out some ten feet - above it, the platform. 1914. Mr Jones said: "There is a lot of truth to the statement that you entered as a boy, but left as a man. For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. I did climb that mast. On the remainder of the command 'Bayonets' the left hand pulled the bayonet from the scabbard, placed it on the barrel of the rifle and, with a quick twist of the wrist, secured it in place. We caught up with Jim Dines, Director of TS Rigging, whose team. The mast has been a local landmark since it was. H.M.S. Among his many punishments, he suffered cuts, a particularly brutal form of Naval punishment. He went on to be an SD subby. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Print length 264 pages Language English Publisher Second City Publishers, Penmarth, Cornwall Publication date 22 Nov. 1995 ISBN-10 090681605X ISBN-13 Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. (LogOut/ Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. Welcome Guest. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Find BBC News: East of England on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. BBC Blue Peter presenter John Noakes attempted to climb to the top of the mast. At 14 he ran away to join the Royal Navy and 'signed on' for 12 years. As Rudyard Kipping wrote in his famous poem IF the you will be a man my son. Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) Life at Ganges was recalled recently in The Evening Star when a book about the base by Alan Peck was published. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. I knew a gentleman who said when he was at Ganges in 1947 he had his first taste of hot food. Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. One person found this helpful. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. "The rest of the buildings, including Nelsons Hall and the swimming pool will be converted into flats, shops and a sports centre. Jon Sparks. On October 28 the White Ensign was lowered for the last time and the ships figurehead was transferred to Royal Hospital School, Holbrook. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. It would seem those boy-sailors who were seconds ago shoving sausages into smiling faces, had all disappeared into that terrifying building, and by the cries belching from its belly were being eaten alive. HMS Ganges 'He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit ' His early life was hard by any standards. Recruits are shown how to stow a hammock - date of photograph unknown. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. "A lot of the boys came from foster homes, or Barnardos. HMS Ganges was a "stone frigate" or land-based institution for the Royal Navy, and between 1905 and 1976 was one of the key training bases used to prepare sailors to defend Great Britain. It was a facade hiding unknown treasures unknown tricks for us to perform, the first of which was to mark our kit with our names. Shotly Jan 7 1967 , 4 weeks in the annex, 11months in the main establishment,left the RN after 26 years, as C.C.MEA(P) and you could tell Ganges trained men a mile off, Regrets not a bit.Sorry for the lad in my class that drank a pint of pussers disinfectant (The black stuff that turned white when you added water) I believe he got his Discharge. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. Hetzner Online GmbH, Industriestrasse 25, D-91710 Gunzenhausen, Germany +49 9831 505-0 abuse@hetzner.com. They say you never forget the place and I agree. His fellow recruit, Phil Bridge, said it was "a sad day, because it means a lot to us", but he was looking forward to a restored mast being returned. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. Ken said: It was a dreadful winter. Probably running away was the worse decision, they were always caught and returned to the camp. The Cattlemarket area of Ipswich would be busy at weekends with boys in full naval uniform. When I say there was sexual abuse Im speaking from personal experience. Padre Weekes was always good for a fag and Jim Conroy (PTI) taught me to yodel. The training was tough, brutal at times, yet many of those who came through remember HMS Ganges, at Shotley Gate, with a certain fondness. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Maybe we boxed each other in the Shotley annexe! Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. Editors' Code of Practice. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Outbreak of World War One. "They had a hard life, but they were fed and looked after. The Admiralty decided that the shore base should bear the name of the original training ship, HMS Ganges. Now i know why! You are using an out of date browser. She was the last wooden wall ship to be a flagship, and the last to sail around cape horn unassisted. Welcome to our next documentary, investigating the decaying remains and iconic abandoned swimming pool of HMS Ganges Royal Naval training school, as well as . July 27, Awarded the Freedom of Ipswich. During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. 2023 BBC. I recall watching a boy, who had been thrown in the deep end of the swimming pool, struggling in the water while a sadistic instructor smiled, saying, 'Look what happens if you can't bloody well swim?' Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. George Blake joined the Navy in 1935 and served up to 1950. From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. His early life was hard by any standards. 1903. Was anything in this navy free from fear? Ronald Carr. [1] Saw your message. It had to be neatly folded and stacked, each item one above the other, with each item measuring exactly nine inches wide and one inch flat. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. Today lots of those instructors (JIs and Badgeboys included) would be in front of the beak for various abuses, harassment and bullying. 1905. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. From the annexe, I had sometimes seen it, partly hidden by snowy skies as it towered above the buildings, and it looked frightening then, but now, marching beneath its cobweb rigging, it looked truly awesome. John Garrett. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. They faced what was without doubt the most severe punishment, cuts. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. There's something to be said for finding how finding out how good you are at living with other people, and finding respect for yourself. attempted to climb to the top of the mast, Harry and Meghan told to 'vacate' Frogmore Cottage, Explosive found in check-in luggage at US airport, Fungus case forces Jack Daniels to halt construction, Aboriginal spears taken in 1770 to return to Sydney, China and Belarus call for peace in Ukraine, Rare Jurassic-era bug found at Arkansas Walmart. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. Ganges training establishment. Recruits used to climb the 143ft (44m)-high mast in formation, with the "button boy" standing on a small, circular platform at the very top, hands-free, but with his legs resting against a metal supporting bar. HP10 9TY. Data returned from the Piano 'meterActive/meterExpired' callback event. and for those of you who served at ganges and who have't joined the association go on..nothing to lose and you'll find a lot of old shipmates there!! The kindly chef asked me whether I intended to eat the mountain of food I'd heaped on my plate or climb it! Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. Reaching high into the sunlit sky stood the mast; its yardarms spread wide like a giant crucifix. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! There was one hell to come, the Ganges mast! Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. LEADING SEAMAN Served from 1961 - 1970 Served in HMS Ganges. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. I joined up in 1968,three years after my brother, he hated it I was one off the sad ones that loved it, even the kit musters on the mast! Not to the required half-moon, but to the first platform, where, when authoritative eyes were averted, I dashed to the other side and climbed back down.. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. Real posh supercilious bastard. Speaking about the current state of the site, Mr Jones said: "All of the messes have been demolished, as have the laundry and the generators. While I was going through the various calls I felt his hand slipping up the back of my shorts. 1976. 1905 - 1976 It was hoped that Developers Haylink Ltd would start work early this year, but their plans were scuppered by the Covid-19 pandemic. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. The association said it had about 3,000 members and at the time of the offences its income from membership fees was about 30,000 a year. Researched and compiled by A. S. Grimmer (Solent Division) who sadly crossed the bar 6th January 2007. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. Learn how your comment data is processed. The culprit was brought before the Commanders table, the punishment was awarded as six or twelve cuts. Im quite sure few if any boys receiving cuts ever thought to run away again. The noise was excruciating. David Colwill. They looked smarter, more confident, or even downright dejected. This page is dedicated to the memory of Tony whose commitment to the Royal Navy and especially HMS Ganges was unlimited. HMS Ganges had a reputation for its harsh discipline. Restoration of the historic HMS Ganges Mast is well under way at Barrelmans Point in Shotley. Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. A history of the Royal Navy Training Establishment HMS Ganges. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. 'Letters back to front, remember!' Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. 1905 to 1976 saw 150,000 recruits pass through HMS Ganges. CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Drake 39 mess At least the cubicles in the heads had doors on this time. Observer career path/ real life experience. Life on the ship was extremely hard, with a memorial in Mylor, Cornwall, recording the names of 53 people who died while training on it between 1866 and 1899. Read about our approach to external linking. Change), You are commenting using your Twitter account. However, in the meantime we were still at the mercy of our instructors. It began snowing on Boxing Day. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". HP10 9TY. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. Sadists most of them and that's from a 15 year old who was in a council care home before he joined, streetwise to fcuk and kept my head down. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. Richard Dunn. H.M.S. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. Heard so much about HMS Ganges though and it sounded very good for developing 'real sailors ' but as much as I hate to admit it I suspect it would have been too much for me . Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. I wondered, sewing, perhaps! After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. She remained in service at RNTE Shotley until October 1976. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. HMS Ganges was also known as Shotley Training Establishment . The one chippy bugger who thought it good fun to make you spar with him in the wash room (Annexe) I met up with in the Far Flung and gave him more than he gave me. It was hard, often . We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. Some 100 boy-sailors were in the canteen, chewing and chattering; clattering knives forks and spoons against plates and bowls. Abuse Details. While the training ship was originally based in Cornwall, she was moved to Harwich, and then Shotley in the 1890s, in order to be closer to a centre of population. Through the year the training was intense, probably a good thing, it gave us little time to regret joining the navy. HMS GANGES MUSEUM. There was a seamanship officer at the boat sheds. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. In 1907, its famous training mast was erected on the parade ground. As a matter of interest how many of you did your 22 and beyond not many I suspect therefore you look back with nostalgia, fcuking hated the place and made certain I never treated any of my guys the same as the youngsters were treated there. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Helpful Report abuse Kindle Customer Sorting The Wheat From The Chaff Reviewed in the United States on March 28, 2014 This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Find out more about HMS Ganges at www.hmsgangesmuseum.com, or visit the museum, located at the end of King Edward VII Drive, in Shotley, IP9 1QJ. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! yes I was there in 92 .Essex, Nolfolk , Herts Suffolk and Cambs police all used it. Registered in England & Wales | 01676637 |. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. This site uses cookies. An appeal by Woolverstone Parish Council was turned down two years later. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. I told him "I don't give a flying feck!" 1971. I would like to see the mast and museum moved to the safety of HMS Raleigh though to ensure its upkeep and maintenance. The pipe (whistle) was used aboard ship for passing orders and instructions. I allowed my head to tilt backward, sending my gaze to the very top, to the lightning conductor where the Button Boy stood on ceremonial occasions. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. what an incredible article, thanks for that dave, how far did you get up that mast? Every letter, every strip of tape had to be in a perfect line. First time ever looking at any RN sights. 1959 and what a bugger Ganges turned out to be. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. 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