EHRMAN: I think one of the hardest things for people to get their minds around is that ancient Israelites and then Jews and then Jesus himself and his followers have a very different understanding of what the relationship between what we call body and soul. If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him. He taught - his main teaching is that the kingdom of God is coming. So what DID Voltaire mean? God should not suffer for the stupidity of the priest: It looks like what - before he was raised up, it looks like he was simply dead, and he was brought back to life temporarily, and he didn't appreciate that (laughter), and so he was upset. The . I think that if the devil does not exist, and man has therefore created, him, he has created him in his own image and likeness., Youre a remarkably good implorator of unholy suits, as Polonius, Ivan laughed. His mother was a noblewoman from Poitou. EHRMAN: Well, so since these people believed that the soul was immortal, that you can kill the body but you can't kill the soul, they thought, well, OK, so our soul will go to heaven to be with God, but then they realized, well, what about the people who are not on the side of God? And finally, Voltaire goes on to deride some of his enemies. It's not going to be something awful. And in Europe, finally, happy toleration The, Turks, of course, are in it, but theyre foreigners. And, of course, none of them stopped to, think or repent of doing so; on the contrary, they considered themselves, entirely within their rights, for Richard had been presented to them as an, object, and they did not even think it necessary to feed him. I'm Terry Gross. The atheist tried to convince Jerry that God does not exist, and that people should not waste their time worshiping Him. Infact, you might be the professional in it. if I had (some monetary unit) for every time (something happened), If I knew you were coming, I'd have baked a cake, if Eskimos have N words for snow, X have Y words for Z, if frogs had wheels they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wheels they wouldnt bump their butts, If frogs had wheels, they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wheels, they wouldnt bump their butts, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their butts when they hop, if frogs had wings they wouldnt bump their butts, if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their butts, if frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their butts when they hop, if frogs had wings, they wouldnt bump their butts, if God did not exist it would be necessary to invent Him. He converted several years after Jesus' death. Philip James Bailey. I then asked him how his spiritual life is. Paul, in his earliest letters, affirms that view of the imminent resurrection. And that's exactly what I think. I think the devil doesn't exist, but man has created him, he has created him in his own image and likeness. So who needs heaven? The latter is an eminent critic. These continue to be two of the common explanations today. They'll be physical. And so they came up with the idea of an afterlife with rewards and punishments. They take it very seriously. We'll be right back and talk more about the history of heaven and hell. It'd be like the Garden of Eden once more. Could ever cease to attest to his being, Satan was needed to provoke Adam and Eve into Sin as they were not taking the bait. Christopher McQuarries version harks back to Baudelaires statement. There have always been people who actually picked a time when it's going to happen. Platinum Author But then toward the end of the Hebrew Bible era, some Jewish thinkers came to believe that the future resurrection would apply not just to the nation but to individuals. This was the old view that the reason God's people suffer is because they've done something wrong and he wants them to repent. So this must be what Jesus taught. And what precisely did Voltaire mean when he wrote it? Artistic, wasn't it? I mean, when you die, you stop breathing. This information should not be considered complete, up to date, and is not intended to be used in place of a visit, consultation, or advice of a legal, medical, or any other professional. Why does God allow natural disasters, i.e. But it's the only way to stop it. Inventing a deity would be an implausible notion, but it has been frequently parodied and misinterpreted. Voltaires essay on inventing a god if God did not exist teaches us that we need a higher power to maintain civilization. To display the idea of good and evil side by side Larson uses extreme syntax. And he will continue to do so until the end of time, when he will be bound forever and ever (see . We'll talk more after a break. They are wiped out. Demon possession is the stuff of movies. GROSS: Let's take a break here, and then we'll talk some more. Similarly, the word illisible is a useful concept to grasp. Europe was long desolated by them all; I hope you stay safe, too. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. What can you do after Valentines Day to make your sweetheart happy? Fortunately for them, the devil does not seem to be. One is they based their predictions on the Book of Revelation. And so they denied the idea of the resurrection of the body. I already have a nice collection of them. This is FRESH AIR. And the other interesting thing is that what the Gnostics did, by reading their ideas into Jesus, is also what the Orthodox Christians did, by putting words in Jesus' lips that supported their ideas of heaven and hell. Our view that you die and your soul goes to heaven or hell is not found anywhere in the Old Testament, and it's not what Jesus preached. That became a view somewhat in Judaism, and it became a very pronounced view in Christianity. This Richard was, someones illegitimate child; at the age of six he was, parents to some Swiss mountain shepherds, who brought him up to work for, them. GROSS: So what are you doing to stay safe? . God has ordained that Satan have a long leashwith God holding onto itbecause he knows that when we walk in and out of those temptations, struggling both with the physical and moral effects that they bring, more of God's glory will shine in that battle than if he took Satan out yesterday. EHRMAN: Yeah, I've thought a lot about it. Abuses with abuses, scandal with scandal. I have done more in my time than Luther and Calvin. Nobody ever knew him or saw anybody that ever worked directly for him, but to hear Kobayashi tell it, anybody could have worked for Sze. If you're just joining us, my guest is religion scholar Bart Ehrman, who is the author of the new book "Heaven And Hell: A History Of The Afterlife." Well, if we're being rewarded, they're going to be punished. / Miracles Don't Exist. Of these wretches in sandals, the excrement of humanity, Hopefully, it will help bring to light Voltaire's meaning, and also give a glimpse of his personality and philosphy. Would they have no one to blame for their erroneous ways? There is the old philosophy that you can turn your stumbling blocks into stepping stones; in essence this means we learn from our mistakes. I will make myself like the Most High'" (Isaiah 14:13-14). I think the devil doesn't exist, but man has created him, he has created him in his own image and likeness. We're staying - absolutely staying inside, and we're in the yard. GROSS: So does that mean you're not leaving the house at all? You get it everywhere in the writings of the prophets in Amos and Isaiah, etc. Thomas Jefferson, in an essay titled If God Did Not Exist, it would be necessary to invent Him (1803), claimed that God is the only thing that is required to make a civilized society work. Jefferson did not intend his statement to be ironic. Let the wise man announce him and kings fear him. Has become the catechism of all well made souls. I, have a lovely pamphlet, translated from the French, telling of how quite, recently, only five years ago, in Geneva, a villain and murderer named, Richard was executed a lad of twenty-three, I believe, who repented and, turned to the Christian faith at the foot of the scaffold. I'll occasionally walk around the block if nobody's around. Press J to jump to the feed. 'It's wonderful how you can turn words,' as Polonius says in Hamlet, laughed Ivan. If God destroyed evil (Satan), we wouldn't be evil right now. As for Ehrman's beliefs, as a child, he was an altar boy in the Episcopal Church. If the Devil Did Not Exist, It May Be Necessary to Invent Him in Certain Contexts September 2015 DOI: 10.4324/9781315678788-15 In book: Philosophical Approaches to the Devil (pp.180-200). Good people have believed me: the evil ones, crushed, It dies of blindness and errors and betrayals. The Bible does talk about this place Sheol, especially in poetry, especially in Psalms. I hope you'll join us. How are you and your family? GROSS: I'm wondering what you think about when you think about how the number of people who are contracting COVID 19 and how the number of people who are dying keeps growing as we get closer to Passover and Easter, which are very holy times in Judaism and Christianity. , Here is the same excerpt from a translation by Arthur Symons published in 1918 in The English Review. This sublime system is necessary to man. And for it to be chosen, there must be an option not to . The devil wanted to make himself "like the Most High" (Isaiah 42:14b). GROSS: Are there things in the Hebrew Bible that still support the idea of heaven and hell as people came to understand it, things that you can extract from the Old Testament that might not literally mention heaven and hell but still support the vision that emerged of it? But other than that, no. These people began to think that the reason there is suffering in the world is not what the prophets had said, that it - because people sin and God is punishing them; it's because there are forces of evil in the world that are aligned against God and his people who are creating suffering. Confucius. GROSS: We have to take a short break here. I probably would have subscribed - I would have subscribed to either the view that God was upset and we needed to repent so that he would relent, or that the devil - it was the devil doing it, and we needed to pray to God for mercy and for him to intervene on our behalf. and thus he spent his whole childhood and his youth, until he grew up and, having gathered strength, went out to steal for himself. The original text contained the mistaken phrase your hear instead of you hear:[4]1918 November, The English Review, Edited by Austin Harrison, Volume 27, The Generous Gambler by Charles Baudelaire, Translated from French by Arthur Symons, Start Page 354, Quote Page 355, Published Continue reading, He complained in no way of the evil reputation under which he lived, indeed, all over the world, and he assured me that he himself was of all living beings the most interested in the destruction of Superstition, and he avowed to me that he had been afraid, relatively as to his proper power, once only, and that was on the day when he had heard a preacher, more subtle than the rest of the human herd, cry in his pulpit: My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when your hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that they dont exist!, Here is a 1919 translation by Joseph T. Shipley:[5]1919, Baudelaire: His Prose and Poetry by Charles Baudelaire, Edited by T. R. Smith, Series: The Modern Library of the Worlds Best Books, Story: The Generous Player, Translated by Joseph T. Continue reading, He did not in any way bemoan the bad reputation which he enjoys in all parts of the world, assured me that he himself was the person most interested in the destruction of superstition, and confessed that he had never feared for his own power save once, on the day when he had heard a preacher, more subtle than his colleagues, cry from the pulpit: My dear brethren, never forget, when you hear the progress of wisdom vaunted, that the cleverest ruse of the Devil is to persuade you he does not exist!, In 1948 LIFE magazine published a piece titled The Devil by Whittaker Chambers which included an instance of the saying:[6] 1948 February 2, LIFE, The Devil by Whittaker Chambers, Start Page 77, Quote Page 81, Time Inc., Chicago, Illinois. Evil which you know very very well. Plus he would thrive on people's quivering fear, which gives him power over them. So you have your body, your physical being, and you have your soul, this invisible part of you that lives on after death, that you can separate the two and they can exist - the soul can exist outside of the body. And it's the view of Revelation. My view is that we all believe very strange things, and most of the time we don't realize how strange they are. So if Satan was there already trying to tempt Eve and bring Eve into evil, we can know for certainty then that he fell before Adam and Eve did. Let's face it - the pandemic has made death a presence on a scale most of us aren't used to. One of the mysteries of the Christian life is why God didn't destroy Satan immediately after Satan sinned. Will your children be more obedient to your voice? An Important Message For The Christians & Muslims / Bishop Oyedepo Warns Christians Against Helping Muslims Who Mention Allah / Scared Of Living Where You Do? This is FRESH AIR. Op you are already immediately mistaken for you know not that devil is simply, the evil, D' evil! Answer. EHRMAN: Paul is very important for understanding the history of heaven and hell, as he's important for understanding most things about early Christian thinking. I don't try to trash anybody's views. And stop biting one another for absurd chimeras." 2 R y communalit GoF 4 In which y communalit average communality of all, RACE RELATIONS AS DISCUSSED IN FENCES.docx, A a zinc strip and 10 M HClaq B a zinc strip and 30 M HClaq C zinc powder and 10, Remember the Abercrombie Lookism video we watched 15 Oliver an African American. And so these people who converted to Christianity were principally Greek thinkers, they thought there was a soul that live forever. What fruit do you expect to reap from your fine arguments? His rebellion failed - but Satan continues to oppose God and lead people astray. Life Path 4 and 6 Compatibility: Numerology Deep Dive, Understanding the Spiritual Meaning of Hiccups, 10 Signs You Have a Toxic Daughter in Law, Dream of Your Boyfriend Dying Warning Signs That Your Relationship is in Trouble. Voltaires most famous works include his Tragiques and Epics. Well, I am glad. When God creates Adam, he creates him out of earth, and then he breathes life into him. Thomas Jefferson, in an essay titled "If God Did Not Exist, it would be necessary to invent Him" (1803), claimed that "God is the only thing that is required to make a civilized society work.". In virtually every case, we're told that it's because God is punishing people. https://www.nairaland.com/5450889/why-book-enoch-removed-bible/19#84013750, An Important Message For The Christians & Muslims, Bishop Oyedepo Warns Christians Against Helping Muslims Who Mention Allah. Like, I'm sure you don't want to talk them out of their beliefs. The life is in the breath. and your new renter, The line about the Devil was accentuated when it was repeated near the end of the film. The angels were created as servants of God, and they were supposed to serve God in obedience. He's a distinguished professor of religious studies at The University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill. My dear elderly mother is a very good Christian, and she believes that she will die and she will go to heaven and she will see her husband. That's right: Our favorite Netflix-produced sports documentary series is officially back! All rights reserved. earthquakes, hurricanes, and tsunamis. You get that in the story of Moses in the Book of Exodus. The line about the Devil was accentuated when it was repeated near the end of the film. And if it's not that, he said it would be like a deep sleep. He, however, indulged himself to think selfishly to the point of rebellion! We will see a reunion of the finest minds: When earlier I was saying that Jesus was an apocalypticist who thought that the world was going to come to an end, that God was going to destroy the forces of evil to bring in a good kingdom, that is precisely what the author of the Book of Revelation thinks, that - and the book is a description of how it's going to happen. Log in or register to write something here or to contact authors. And the martyr Socrates, and the great Cicero: They're not? This is the view that is fairly consistent throughout the New Testament, starting with Jesus. So that would be great. Insipid writer, you pretend to draw for your readers And of course, belief in heaven and hell has done a lot of good; it's also done a lot of harm. We'll be right back. This book is handy for students of French philosophy, as it teaches them to identify the main concepts that come from literature and history. And Christians now, who were mainly coming from Greek contexts, latched onto that idea with a Christian way of putting it. To commemorate the occasion, Aaron White of Feel. It comes - Gnosticism, in some ways, comes out of Greek thinking. We know that God will one day defeat Satan by throwing him into the Lake of Fire where he will be tortured day and night forever ( Revelation 20:10 ), but sometimes we wonder why God has not destroyed Satan already. Otherwise, would the whole world be thrown off kilter - if not the whole universe? Doesn't religion require the contrast of a benevolent deity and an insidious devil? (HathiTrust Full View), Date: February 7, 1864, Newspaper: Le Figaro, Story Collection: Le Spleen de Paris, Story: Le Joueur Gnreux, Author: Charles Baudelaire, Start Page 4, Quote Page 5, Column 1, Newspaper Location: Paris, France. We begin life with God as our Creator and Judge. And these are more mystical texts. But I personally think, probably, this life is all there is. Miracles Don't Exist. It's a word that gets mistranslated into English. . What would God do without such an adversary to play with, or fight against? See How To Advertise. Instead, He created the person who became the Devil. And so that's the alternative. By the way, Turks are particularly fond of sweet things, they say., I think if the devil doesn't exist, but man has created him, he has created him in his own image and likeness., The devil was sick, the devil a monk would be; The devil was well, the devil a monk was he., The Devil . As such, it could be implied that Pochita is God, and as his vessel, the fiends have been protecting Denji to protect the Chainsaw Devil. But now the talk is more about climate change, as it should be. GROSS: So is the pandemic making you think differently about your book? I do not try to convert anybody. While I wait, I'd find it absurd to worship God because of the devil. 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