You get an override when people below you sell a policy. LOL. Wow, THAT was a pretty lengthy spewage of information that quite frankly had NOTHING to do with the point that Ive been arguing with you over. How much damage can you do Michael? Primerica never had any CE courses. Word of mouth advertising is the least expensive way to advertise., ****So why do the PFS products cost more if they dont place ads and market from referrals? Since it is apparent That my information is like placing pearls before swine, I am done with you. What you sell is sesame street economics to people that really have had no exposure to the industry. James, How do you help someone with debt, you only do life? It is because they do what is right all the time. I was under the impression that you get a percentage of your hires sales is that not correct? After I got my insurance, both of my parents did of terminal illness, both of different type of cancer. Our motto: Replace Primerica Term (with less expensive/better term), and invest the difference. Yes I know PFS has reduced their rates, but look at the guarantee periods. If I had an agent that acted like you, I would drop you in a second. Tom if I was talking to you talked to me this way in person I would turn around and walk out. Primerica's Then they try to get those people to take out a loan or buy some investment thats supposed to help them clear up debt. Again with the estate preservation. They do ARMs. There are five levels of nursing in the United States, with educational requirements ranging from a 75-hour vocational course at the lowest level to a six-year or more advanced degree at the highest level. This investment includes commissions and other payments you may receive. -. It is a great exchange. United of Omaha compensation of what you get with your Legal Riders allow you to customize a policy with extra coverage or features. And my downlines weret. Point: There are 5,000 RVPs and only 4,000 make $50k.. -. Then everythign he posts is suspect. Like I said before keep posting. More compensation: This means one of two things, either the company is taking less, or the customer is paying more. Yes she did. I hjve seen it scheduled to happen in 7 years. There were several proofs of this on the boards. Tom, I see that you have a lot of anger and I hope you take care of that. Now, Im border line ranting ,so Ill wrap this up. I am not her to bash Primerica. If they currently do not have a huge team or any real ties to PFS, they could step outside PFS still recruit a team and just test the independent waters. 1) About 4 times the commissions on all personal sales. I wont even attempt to comment on your race analogy. Well I hate to say but every two years my policy goes down. I am curious is this how you win your clients? Allianz Life Insurance Company of America ), You are a business owner but I will cover that below. But when I chatted with my Agent about these an other products I was interested in, he said read about these policies on the internet, the Wall street journal, and other Professional Publications that talk about money. In this case the premium is deducted from the policy cash value monthly, which rapidly depletes it since the interest cannot keep up with the automatic withdrawals and ultimately once depleted the policy owner must resume making payments. Everyone can see that Tom is like that snake oil salesperson and provides us with a very nice dog and pony show. Tom I think its because of you PFS agents dont post. 1. And as a client I want someone to watch the store, to be full-time. Mr. Well informed client, It is a pleasure not continuing you little game. -. We came to primerica to build a Business at the same time. 4. He was commission generated. Just remember, NBIP (nothing personal in business). Like I tell all the people who contact me, dont take my word for anything. But then you do not have any money to live or retire. You get something that you do not with the other hammer. Quick info: I have NO financial experience. 1. The key to looking at reviews, is spotting trends and facts that cant be disputed. Now here is a point to ponder. The fact, You also know that they do what is right for the client all the time. They are great but I wanted to retire before I was grey, so I found a company that was not doing well. Its you. You only get promoted if you pass the qualification. Why go through all of the cost if someone doesnt want or need to? I am having people contact me and wanting to compare what I can offer compard to what Primerica can offer them. But then again you might remember the rule about securities. However, usually if I ask if they read their bible and if they can show me a scripture that supports their statements, I am greeted with a clueless face. You get a higher learning curve. 6 to 8% to borrow your money. If you want to know about my carriers e-mail me at [emailprotected]. The value I see in Primerica is the Agent, the products that he sells and the service I have gotten. You need to get coverage if you break a nail? If you give people an outstanding product, excellent customer service, and the product that meets their needs not by you own omission wanting to win, myself as a contractor I would not want to be captive I would want to sell Lennox, Trane, Bryant, Rheem, Carrier, American Standard, etc. So what I am saying is if you have been a secretary in a finance company, you may still not know, if all your friends are in finance you may still not know. But then again I had a friend that got tired of getting these calls sent letters and said repeatily not to call him and they ignored him. February 27, 2023 | 11:39 AM. I want to have clients that need my services and are willing to work with me and fight me just to be the alpha male and beat their chests. They spread the word and the regional rep takes him/her on appointments and closes all the business making more on the business than the junior rep.. which u all think is justifiable but in reality the person with the actual relationship makes the most. Art said at A.L. This is basic business teaching. They are planning on calling them and trying to convert them to permanent insurance. He was not cross selling. Wouldnt be a shame that the insurance policy you buy from Michael because it is cheaper, is not enforce when you need it? Four years later would change their name to Primerica Corporation. He paid more so he would not get the harassing calls. 4. Thats business and welcome to the business world. Get lower pay, and work harder. And you might be, but then again, you are a faceless post. To bad that is all you are. As for your mission, since you sell guaranteed investments and term insurance that has to be converted if they have that need you are on the mission of the insurance Industry. Dell saw this gained huge funds back into their bottom line, so they took it upon themselves to just lay people off as wellnot to save their bottom line like other companies needed to.they did it cuz bottom line was all they saw and it was corporately effective. So who helped them? -. Primerica was paid in less than 4 weeks. Here is one more fact: When Primerica was A.L. You see the way to make big money at PFS is to just recruit, recruit, recruit. That is someone who places his own wallet before his client needs. I say fox in the hen house. Special thanks go out to Michael and some of the other former PFS reps who have been able to contribute fairly substantive arguments for their positions. Yes, there are some rules like I must follow each carriers advertising rules and I must meet XYZ carriers requirements. Their needs to be competition. I am a client with more knowledge than some ex-agents and people who think they know more because they were approached. IF a Lie gets told 1000 times it becomes a truth. I think it was under $100 a year. Did you ask why? Your post is proving otherwise. You ahve made it slander board with your name calling, and you half-truths. As for PFS, I am not sure if they sell them. However I dont have plans on leaving because I know where I stand with my present employer and because there are perks that my present company give me that the other wouldnt. To offer their Identity Theft Shield product there is no licensing requirement nationwide, so an associate can build a team on a nationwide level without signing any type of agreement. I mean no agent can do that. The only purpose of ROP is to get more money from the clients. They are looking for people wanting to win. As for my personal stuff, You cant, because you do not have a name nor have a face. We called him and he still has not returned my calls. Everyone has the right to run their business as they see fit. New York Life *****I am curious, what company are you quoting? AIG is having money troubles. THEN, theyre all about facts and figures! You are right #2 its usually 8% to borrow but it not your money. Even Citi is laying off their employees. Not only that, but do you know how much your life insurance company paid out in death benefits last year?? As for your PFS agent who contacts you every 6 months, next time he/she contacts you ask them to research Life Settlements and inform you on the Pros and cons, and if there is a difference between a policy that can convert to a permanent product and their term policy if a Life Settlement was a consideration. James @ 6:23 pm Period., I believe you would have better understood what I was getting at here had you read the entire post. Lafayette Life He is nto the same person that started in Primerica, or he would never needed Primerica. BY the way, if you want to sell your business, you ahve to find someone willing to pay for it. ________________________________. I have done the research. Id prefer my finances to be handled by someone who does it full time and with a company that financially outperforms its benchmarks, but thats just me. Now we all know that cheaper is not as good. He is trying to get a class-action lawsuit started. Well then the 18yr old just gives everyone he knows away the senior guys are happy and the junior guy thinks thats great, but then the will runs dry.. uh oh.. now its time for real business and talking to people we dont know.. Again you are making statements you do not have a clue about. And what is going with those that shorted the stock for it. I can stay in Motel 6, but I think paying for service is worth it. plan. But if many people knew that they agent and bank was hiding info, packaging it deceptively, and families knew this would be the consequences, they would have said NO to the product. That is just as important as a College education. If you knew as much as you project to know you would know if by chance a company did go out of business its not something so easy as the policies would just become null and void. I am glad you are a well-informed CLIENT. Sorry diversification is a text book wrong answer. But the company here doesnt play if you do anything wrong for a person or anything wrong thats illegal you get terminated. Let me help you out Mr. or Mrs. (Disability Insurance), Tom says: But as for the post here, They are here to drive a wedge between the company and agents. I know it is pride, but the truth be told all your posts are suspect, and anyone that takes your word is asking fro trouble. If its age 60 or 65, is the PFS policy guaranteed for the full 20 years? Seriously, grow up and take some responsibility. 3)A big attraction to Primerica for clients and reps is that it gives it clients and reps access to high yielding emergency fund accounts and investment grade vehicles for as little as $25/month making it theoretically possible for anyone to invest regardless of their economic situation. Sorry to give out the dirty little secret but you can not say you like the CHARGEBACK . I did not have anyone show me and remember I am an a/c repairman. Thats why I go into the biz, to help families. But let us go through your post and show the errors. You are equal to the Cash value sales people who would use the Brouchure against Primerica. One question, Since Mutual funds make more money, and are safer than insurance companies money, why would you place your money in a losing position. You would disown your mother and spouse at the first chance you got, too. Financial products either pay you upfront or in trails. . 7 Loan origination License. What is in it for me? Thanks for contributing so much info about it it sounds like it is working well for you and you brought up a few things I didnt know. DOes not mean you are more qualified. You only get 1500 on contest, but you get paid on the tiotal premium. You are an independent. ( Like being sued since she is not selling there products.) Michael, If you were half as smart as you thought you are, you would know it has not been CitiGroup for months if not years please get your FACTS correct. It was a lie, but some clients moved to them. The client can combine the terms. Aside from those turn-offs, I like Primerica. Again You are confusing someone that sells. In 1980, A.L. So you sell the newest and most recent thing before it is tested. I am sorry, Buy Term and invest the Difference is not a slogan that Primerica created. I wonder what fantasy land do you life in. Well let me place it easy words. Hey Michael, thanks for the informative post! They want to keep them seperate. 3. Data Independence means users and data should not directly interact with each other. Now if a client made it to end of term and still had a need for coverage wouldnt it be a good consideration to be able to lock in a face amount and premium for Life or Long term? NOw you know they cant, but that is the road you are going down., ****Do you know insurance companies are quoting policy ages up to age 121? The SAME Primerica you were in. And that was one little heirarchy. What if you ran into a senior who couldnt afford their current life policy they had for years and were about to cash it in. Most people become disable before they die . Im not attacking you company, its the statement. One day your going to sit across a client and you know they have limited funds and they need a good amount of coverage and they will look you in the eyes and with total trust in you ask if thats all the coverage they can get with the money they have? But then again If you noticed something, He chose the parameters. Of course whatever they teach you at that office is designed to sound like a rational answer. That is not conversion. You never got your securities licenses, and therefore you are completely driving blind when it comes to Primerica. First and foremost, Pro/Con listings on the web are like looking at reviews for any product that you wish to purchase. Yes we get paid four waysYes we get actual licenses.Yes people are going to talk crap about the company because 1 out of 10 will make it hereand Yes the industry is threatened by our crusade. I have gone over this several times. The only time you have to go fulltime is when you go to RVP. Finally he left them and went with Primerica. . Now on another level. 2) I resigned from PFS, October 2006, with a clean U5. Level premium and a level death benefit does have cost. They can defer it up to 6 months. Reverse Mortgage, Fixed Annuities We can also shop carriers. Then theres the fact the over rides have to be paid. Primerica in worth 9 billion and has not sold on bad mortgage to date. So I have my proof. You can not change companies because of your heath and if you are with PFS your policy ends at age 70 unless you accept an ART which you would need to run a quote to see what the premiums would be. SEC registration neither implies nor asserts the SEC or any state securities authority has approved or endorsed PFSI or the contents of this disclosure. You become a captive agent .. not allowed to sell anything Primerica does not offer . That term policy can be converted and the funds used for maybe a LTC policy, ans Annuity, or whatever. Present the solution. Probably not. And if they dont have at least $25,000.00 to invest you will not help them. . Hi to everyone. -. The point is if a life policy is court ordered and a person balks at the cost, they can use an Annuity along with the ROP. All of that while still not telling the person about estate preservation. How many (average) americans have $25k to invest or can afford to pay you/reputable companies 1500.00-2,500.00 or more for your services. This whole thing can be broken down much more, but it would be a long post. Challenge is Prove what you say: You said that the Deposit you give Primerica was $199, and only covered life insurance. Not many. With 6 million clients, Primerica has a pretty strong LINK with Citigroup. > I ask because, though I am educated (two B.A.s and an M.A. Please do not confuse me with any other James; this is the only post that I have written. But dont worry recruit some new people, call on their family and friends and keep that money. If you follow the example in the book The Coach they will first lower commissions, and cut back in advances. This is a fact. He has a knack of twisting the facts. Tom if you are going to insult me please have facts I could say how ignorant you are because you know more than the agent about PFS then you contradict yourself by saying, As for PFS, I am not sure if they sell them. Tom which is it? I hope it works out. This is America and there should be competition. It is the companies money. When you are a parrot repeating the same lingo it is apparent youve given little though to do actual research yourself on the markets or how different asset classes are even correlated. Tom, here is where you and I differ. _____________________________________________, What if a client has a spouse and disability coverage isnt a consideration, can they offer critical illiness, or can a PFS agent even suggest it? I have left businesses because the ethics of management. Yes it may cost a little more, but then value does. They are not complex, they are as easy or as extensive as the clients God bless and dont believe all you read. WebThe Bible doesnt mention about the different levels as such in a direct manner, however, there are some verses that potentially indicate the same. Its like a bunch of fat kids thinking that cake is actually healthy for them if they wish it to be true. Oh the person who is getting your override. Its about buying a term policy and people having an issue with not getting anythng back at end of Term. fyi. Better to be quiet, and thought a fool, or to keep talking and remove all doubt. Now Frank, I hope you do not think I am picking on you, but your opinions are based on facts based on errors. But you are an Insurance salesperson, not a financial coach. Again whomever is posting this is incorrect. But then again I keep bringing up a Yugo and a BMW. Theres soooo much more. They have done several different loans. in the best interest of your family to have Primerica products or should you get the best available product that is suitable for your family situation? 2) The agent only gets paid on, and credit for, $1,500 of annual-premium on the TOTAL combined policy, not each one. And that there are better ways that cost less and give less commission for estate preservation than to use cash value? ***Agents at PFS are independent contractors. That is $1000 dollars. sold and it looks like that may happen your ratings could go very low. I guess you are not even worth an hour of their time. Which also means the company either tries to make its profit in the beginning or towards the end. 90 are dependent or still working. One of the salesperson said it was stupid to have term, and Cash Value is the only way to go. You should explore the facts and ask the people who ARE making big money how they did it. b) Even if true. They did it to take money from the clients. . This gets around the Do NOT Call list, and the fact that you will be bugged until you leave them or cave. They are not stupid, would you through away money if you were Primerica? Then you will get refferals and you will be Tom keeps saying all some are concerned with is price, well to me that says the rule of 72 which is stressed isnt really that important. They then take this $500 and show them how to make good use of it by investing in mutual funds for retirement, saving for college, etc. Next, of course we have an array of services that can help you accomplish that and that is where the commission comes in. You have to sell bad products to clients to make up the difference. So please, enlighten me as a non-Primerica yet open-minded person what is stopping you from joining? If I go to Macys I can only buy what they offer? Victory Mortgage They got into so much trouble. How can you say you are looking out for your clients wehn you sell fixed annuities and term that has the only option of converting to keep it? Professionalism actually defends itself when give some points. However, I can share my short-lived Primerica experience with you. Williams in the past why did he not say that it has gotten better? Proteins have four levels of organization. . I know many 60 to 70 years are working because they played when they were younger, and have to work now. Extra money invested in loaded brokerage account funds OR company provided variable annuity accounts. Suze Orman, says to stay away from cash value. Michael, Have you forgotten the 6 rules of Cash value? But some reasons for it is to protect the clients interest, otherwise some bad agents that every company could have would make a commission from a product sale and leave right away to another company to sell the same clients again for another commission(Doubledipping). Since you said you offer these worthless products, does that mean you will sell what ever you can make a buck on? Primerica DOES offer an exam guarantee, where they will pay indefinitely for you to re-take the exam until you pass. Well, Since the series 7 and 66 license is not for the market Primerica are going for, why would you buy it? You cant be a 1099 employee, either you are an employee or 1099. Sicne the training is flawed you will hurt your clients. Here is the results: We cant even have normal conversations anymore without him trying to convinve me to join this company. They know they can make 2 to 15 times more on the cash value policies. Any competent adviser will tell you not to use Insurance as an investment. Sounds like a pretty selfish reason to wait, IMHO. I mean is this what you do to clients, and here? To be you, how much does it cost? Why not address the fact that you get more value with Primerica than your way? ***Tom in many instances the issue isnt about saving. I was intrigued by it since Ive been through Dave Ramsey and am on a crusade to get totally debt free. And by the way the payout has gotten better in the last year not worse. Stats do not lie, but those that use them certainly do. As a licensed agent the agent owns their license. Primerica lost and I was dead in the water until I came across a Primerica debate on a mesage board and people hit me with facts, not rah, rah.. no war exclusion I mean, if they think youre good enough to work for them, why wouldnt they just hire you as an employee and pay you a salary and benefits (for say 6 months to a year) to help you get off the ground? . . Primerica will have a more difficult time recruiting without the misleading come work for a Citibank company cold calls. But the securities is the best way for the client. She had been diagnosed with cancer. On one of them they did a loan, and there was not any advantages to the client. Ask your PFS agent if Art williams or Sandy Weill only had term policies. I mentioned about conversion of a term policy and the benefit if considering a life settlement and it seemed to get past you. I was tired of eveyone in my base shop being BROKE and my client paying too much for all products. Anyone can go grab a commission only job at any financial services competitor. Your best appointments are from your warm market or from a referral. This feature is common among many other life insurance companies and lets a policyholder convert a term life to a permanent life insurance policy. Do not argue with idiots, since they will just drag you down to their level and beat you there with their experience. I am curious if you putting money in a saving plan, as it is being sold. And do not use the fact you can use it for savings. His sales pitch how my wife and I would be a great managers working for PFS. I met with someone from Primerica a few months back, and just got a call from a different recruiter a few days ago. You said you know Primerica products well. Not really. But here is some great FACTS: How is it team driven to take away income from someone? I believe that I have found a better system for me and my clients. Depending on the policy you have, you get the face amount, the face amount and the savings, or the face amount and a calculations on the savings. IN Michaels/Thomas state of California this is worth over $2000. PFS people have at me. That is language made up to sell certain products. I do not want to sell only one a/c brand. ahve It may not be the best option for what that customer is looking for or needs. how do u, used to or who helped to sell products? Did you know that they are thinking of going public again? In the real world, you get success for working hard at what ever you do. But as for the post here, They are here to drive a wedge between the company and agents. I remember the days of PFS continuing Ed.Some were were a short versions of fast start schools. It is worth money as people say. I currently work for Primerica and here is my opinion: Yes it maybe true that at the starting position of Primerica Representative that ones commission is not that high compared to other financial institutions, but you have to take all things into consideration. Why do you think some hotels only get $50.00 a night and others get $500.00? I can see that you are a CLIENT and not an agent. If someone can justify the 40% limit because the company is looking out for the client, thats the case some make for Whole life. I am curious why do you have promote your business here. Another example of this is college graduates. Background check. The people should no not to use it and they should be able to make the decision. But then again you are an agent that sells cash value as an option. If you are 25 and it took you 15 years to make $100,000 ( which is long I must say), you are still ahead of 98% of the population. Im sure there is a less than 100% satisfaction; there cant be perfect companies with imperfect people working there. For example, Goodwin offers three types of MSN programs today: APRN-FNP degree program, for aspiring Family Nurse Practitioners. Travlers are gone. Just understand going in and coming out. You tried this stuff with me, I would boot you out of my house. I doubt it. If you know what you are tlaking about you will know this? They do not need this crap. The IRS does not say that a PFS agent is a business owner. Look at Which by the way I took that path of ADVANCEMENT and Ill be darn, it worked because I was looking for something that showed me a path that it didnt matter if it took WORK as long as it WORKED. Remember every organization attracts joiners that bring the leaders and that winners will find a way to win and losers will always find a way to lose. Again, some carriers have ROP select a term to meet your clients needs. I am setting my clients to have to buy cash value which will decrease their estate since they cost more. Related: Best term life insurance companies. Since it is about opportunity, and I am salesleader in my business, I know how much it takes in pain, sweat and money to start a business. I guess that fact that yes some are not where they need to be, but either you can leave them by the road side, or take them aboard and then teach them and coach them and mentor them. I am sorry if I pay for something, I should be able to use it. That is when they know they are going to lose money on a product, sell it at LOSS, so they can get money somewhere else. 4.) Looking at how many are being indited along with closing down, I would say none. 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